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		<description>Sorry Don - But I deleted your post. I will not allow the blog to be a means for you to promulgate what I believe to be a heretical view. 

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		<title>By: Reid</title>
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		<description>Don - The refutations of the kind of universalism you espouse here are so many and thorough throughout Church history, that I remain amazed the doctrine still re-surfaces from time to time. I do not for a moment impugn the motives of those who would teach it, as I believe those I&#039;ve seen and interacted with to be sincere, and desirous of a good end for all mankind. May we all have the deepest of compassion upon all. Yet, the Bible simply does not teach what you say it does. I will but leave you with a short quote from William G. T. Shedd whose work on the subject is a must for any who would try to refute the doctrine of everlasting punishment. I hope you will take the time to work through these ideas much more carefully. 

Shedd: Christ could not have warned men so frequently and earnestly as he did against “the fire that never shall be quenched” and “the worm that dies not” had he known that there is no future peril fully corresponding to them. That omniscient being who made the statements respecting the day of judgment and the final sentence that are recorded in Matt. 25:31–46 could neither have believed nor expected that all men without exception will eventually be holy and happy. To threaten with “everlasting punishment” a class of persons described as “goats upon the left hand” of the eternal judge, while knowing at the same time that this class would ultimately have the same holiness and happiness with those described as “sheep upon the right hand” of the judge, would have been both falsehood and folly. The threatening would have been false. For even a long punishment in the future world would not have justified Christ in teaching that this class of mankind are to experience the same retribution with “the devil and his angels,” for these were understood by the Jews, to whom he spoke, to be hopelessly and eternally lost spirits.﻿5﻿ And the threatening would have been foolish, because it would have been a brutum fulmen,﻿6﻿ an exaggerated danger, certainly in the mind of its author. And for the persons threatened, it would have been a terror only because they took a different view of it from what its author did—they believing it to be true, and he knowing it to be false! (See supplement 7.6.3.)
The mere perusal of Christ’s words when he was upon earth, without note or comment upon them, will convince the unprejudiced that the Redeemer of sinners knew and believed that for impenitent men and devils there is an endless punishment. We solicit a careful reading and pondering of the following well-known passages:
When the Son of Man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory; and before him shall be gathered all nations, and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall he say unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment. (Matt. 25:31–33, 41, 46)
If your right hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched, where their worm dies not and the fire is not quenched. And if your foot offend you, cut if off: it is better for you to enter into life than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched, where their worm dies not and the fire is not quenched. And if your eye offend you, pluck it out: it is better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye than having two eyes to be cast into hellfire, where their worm dies not and the fire is not quenched. (Mark 9:43–48)
What shall it profit a man if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul? What is a man advantaged if he gain the whole world and be cast away? (Mark 8:36; Luke 9:25)
The rich man died and was buried, and in hell he lifted up his eyes being in torments. (Luke 16:22–23)
Fear not them which kill the body but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matt. 10:28)
The Son of Man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend and them which do iniquity and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (Matt. 13:41–42)
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? Then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. (Matt. 7:22–23)
He that denies me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. Unto him that blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it shall never be forgiven. (Luke 12:9–10)
Woe unto you, you blind guides. You serpents, you generation of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell? (Matt. 23:16, 33)
Woe unto that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It had been good for that man if he had not been born. (Matt. 26:24)
The Lord of that servant will come in a day when he looks not for him and at an hour when he is not aware and will cut him in sunder and appoint him his portion with unbelievers. (Luke 12:46)
He that believes not shall be damned. (Mark 16:16)
You, Capernaum, which are exalted unto heaven, shall be brought down to hell. (Matt. 11:23)
At the end of the world, the angels shall come forth and sever the wicked from among the just and shall cast them into the furnace of fire. (Matt. 13:49–50)
Then said Jesus again to them, I go my way, and you shall seek me and shall die in your sins: whither I go you cannot come. (John 8:21)
The hour is coming in which all that are in their graves shall hear my voice and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (John 5:28–29)
To all this, add the description of the manner in which Christ will discharge the office of the eternal judge. John the Baptist represents him as one “whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor and gather his wheat into the garner, but will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire” (Matt. 3:12). And Christ describes himself as a householder who will say to the reapers, “Gather together first the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them” (13:30); as a fisherman “casting a net into the sea and gathering of every kind, which when it was full he drew to the shore and sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away” (13:47–48); as the bridegroom who took the wise virgins “with him to the marriage” and shut the door upon the foolish (25:10); and as the man traveling into a far country who delivered talents to his servants and afterward reckons with them, rewarding the “good and faithful” and “casting the unprofitable servant into outer darkness, where there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (25:19–20).
Let the reader now ask himself the question: Do these representations and this phraseology make the impression that the future punishment of sin is to be remedial and temporary? Are they adapted to make this impression? Were they intended to make this impression? Is it possible to believe that that holy and divine person who uttered these fearful and unqualified warnings, eighteen hundred years ago, respecting the destiny of wicked men and devils, knew that a time is coming when there will be no wicked men and devils in the universe of God and no place of retributive torment? Did Jesus of Nazareth hold an esoteric doctrine of hell: a different view of the final state of the wicked from that which the common and natural understanding of his language would convey to his hearers and has conveyed to the great majority of his readers in all time? Did he know that in the far-off future, a day will come when those tremendous scenes which he described—the gathering of all mankind, the separation of the evil from the good, the curse pronounced upon the former and the blessing upon the latter—will be looked back upon by all mankind as “an unsubstantial pageant faded,” as a dream that is passed and a watch in the night?
Shedd, W. G. T., &amp; Gomes, A. W. (2003). Dogmatic theology. &quot;First one-volume edition (3 vols. in 1)&quot;--Jacket. (3rd ed.) (888). Phillipsburg, N.J.: P &amp; R Pub.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don &#8211; The refutations of the kind of universalism you espouse here are so many and thorough throughout Church history, that I remain amazed the doctrine still re-surfaces from time to time. I do not for a moment impugn the motives of those who would teach it, as I believe those I&#8217;ve seen and interacted with to be sincere, and desirous of a good end for all mankind. May we all have the deepest of compassion upon all. Yet, the Bible simply does not teach what you say it does. I will but leave you with a short quote from William G. T. Shedd whose work on the subject is a must for any who would try to refute the doctrine of everlasting punishment. I hope you will take the time to work through these ideas much more carefully. </p>
<p>Shedd: Christ could not have warned men so frequently and earnestly as he did against “the fire that never shall be quenched” and “the worm that dies not” had he known that there is no future peril fully corresponding to them. That omniscient being who made the statements respecting the day of judgment and the final sentence that are recorded in Matt. 25:31–46 could neither have believed nor expected that all men without exception will eventually be holy and happy. To threaten with “everlasting punishment” a class of persons described as “goats upon the left hand” of the eternal judge, while knowing at the same time that this class would ultimately have the same holiness and happiness with those described as “sheep upon the right hand” of the judge, would have been both falsehood and folly. The threatening would have been false. For even a long punishment in the future world would not have justified Christ in teaching that this class of mankind are to experience the same retribution with “the devil and his angels,” for these were understood by the Jews, to whom he spoke, to be hopelessly and eternally lost spirits.﻿5﻿ And the threatening would have been foolish, because it would have been a brutum fulmen,﻿6﻿ an exaggerated danger, certainly in the mind of its author. And for the persons threatened, it would have been a terror only because they took a different view of it from what its author did—they believing it to be true, and he knowing it to be false! (See supplement 7.6.3.)<br />
The mere perusal of Christ’s words when he was upon earth, without note or comment upon them, will convince the unprejudiced that the Redeemer of sinners knew and believed that for impenitent men and devils there is an endless punishment. We solicit a careful reading and pondering of the following well-known passages:<br />
When the Son of Man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory; and before him shall be gathered all nations, and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall he say unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment. (Matt. 25:31–33, 41, 46)<br />
If your right hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched, where their worm dies not and the fire is not quenched. And if your foot offend you, cut if off: it is better for you to enter into life than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched, where their worm dies not and the fire is not quenched. And if your eye offend you, pluck it out: it is better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye than having two eyes to be cast into hellfire, where their worm dies not and the fire is not quenched. (Mark 9:43–48)<br />
What shall it profit a man if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul? What is a man advantaged if he gain the whole world and be cast away? (Mark 8:36; Luke 9:25)<br />
The rich man died and was buried, and in hell he lifted up his eyes being in torments. (Luke 16:22–23)<br />
Fear not them which kill the body but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matt. 10:28)<br />
The Son of Man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend and them which do iniquity and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (Matt. 13:41–42)<br />
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? Then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. (Matt. 7:22–23)<br />
He that denies me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. Unto him that blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it shall never be forgiven. (Luke 12:9–10)<br />
Woe unto you, you blind guides. You serpents, you generation of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell? (Matt. 23:16, 33)<br />
Woe unto that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It had been good for that man if he had not been born. (Matt. 26:24)<br />
The Lord of that servant will come in a day when he looks not for him and at an hour when he is not aware and will cut him in sunder and appoint him his portion with unbelievers. (Luke 12:46)<br />
He that believes not shall be damned. (Mark 16:16)<br />
You, Capernaum, which are exalted unto heaven, shall be brought down to hell. (Matt. 11:23)<br />
At the end of the world, the angels shall come forth and sever the wicked from among the just and shall cast them into the furnace of fire. (Matt. 13:49–50)<br />
Then said Jesus again to them, I go my way, and you shall seek me and shall die in your sins: whither I go you cannot come. (John 8:21)<br />
The hour is coming in which all that are in their graves shall hear my voice and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (John 5:28–29)<br />
To all this, add the description of the manner in which Christ will discharge the office of the eternal judge. John the Baptist represents him as one “whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor and gather his wheat into the garner, but will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire” (Matt. 3:12). And Christ describes himself as a householder who will say to the reapers, “Gather together first the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them” (13:30); as a fisherman “casting a net into the sea and gathering of every kind, which when it was full he drew to the shore and sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away” (13:47–48); as the bridegroom who took the wise virgins “with him to the marriage” and shut the door upon the foolish (25:10); and as the man traveling into a far country who delivered talents to his servants and afterward reckons with them, rewarding the “good and faithful” and “casting the unprofitable servant into outer darkness, where there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (25:19–20).<br />
Let the reader now ask himself the question: Do these representations and this phraseology make the impression that the future punishment of sin is to be remedial and temporary? Are they adapted to make this impression? Were they intended to make this impression? Is it possible to believe that that holy and divine person who uttered these fearful and unqualified warnings, eighteen hundred years ago, respecting the destiny of wicked men and devils, knew that a time is coming when there will be no wicked men and devils in the universe of God and no place of retributive torment? Did Jesus of Nazareth hold an esoteric doctrine of hell: a different view of the final state of the wicked from that which the common and natural understanding of his language would convey to his hearers and has conveyed to the great majority of his readers in all time? Did he know that in the far-off future, a day will come when those tremendous scenes which he described—the gathering of all mankind, the separation of the evil from the good, the curse pronounced upon the former and the blessing upon the latter—will be looked back upon by all mankind as “an unsubstantial pageant faded,” as a dream that is passed and a watch in the night?<br />
Shedd, W. G. T., &amp; Gomes, A. W. (2003). Dogmatic theology. &#8220;First one-volume edition (3 vols. in 1)&#8221;&#8211;Jacket. (3rd ed.) (888). Phillipsburg, N.J.: P &amp; R Pub.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://responsivereiding.com/2008/07/10/discussing-the-atonement-a-lot/#comment-2033</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rom 11v36 sums up in praise how God sovereignly somehow causes all things to serve his good purposes to his glory...having just described how he used pre-AD70 Jew/Gentile unbelief to bring belief,and overruled sin to bring grace;and then righteousness by grace (in contrast to sin by law)...that every man cannot but be &#039;subjected&#039;to God&#039;s glory,which is consummated with a recognition of this on the part of all men...that doesn&#039;t need to mean all men will be saved(in fact Rom9 indicates the contrary).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rom 11v36 sums up in praise how God sovereignly somehow causes all things to serve his good purposes to his glory&#8230;having just described how he used pre-AD70 Jew/Gentile unbelief to bring belief,and overruled sin to bring grace;and then righteousness by grace (in contrast to sin by law)&#8230;that every man cannot but be &#8217;subjected&#8217;to God&#8217;s glory,which is consummated with a recognition of this on the part of all men&#8230;that doesn&#8217;t need to mean all men will be saved(in fact Rom9 indicates the contrary).</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what do you do with a whole host of clear scriptural indications contrariwise,that imply you&#039;re getting the wrong interpretation from the verses you give? If you are a &#039;seeker of truth&#039;without an agenda,then I&#039;m sure you&#039;d find some verses that give you reason to pause and consider?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what do you do with a whole host of clear scriptural indications contrariwise,that imply you&#8217;re getting the wrong interpretation from the verses you give? If you are a &#8217;seeker of truth&#8217;without an agenda,then I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d find some verses that give you reason to pause and consider?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hicks</title>
		<link>http://responsivereiding.com/2008/07/10/discussing-the-atonement-a-lot/#comment-2030</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reid and Phil,

I put together the following article a while back and the verses that I referenced speak to me of a time when all will know that God is their Father who wants them back in the fold.  Please consider.

ALL CREATED BEINGS WILL PRAISE GOD AT SOME TIME AND THUS COME TO BELIEVE IN HIM

The following are 5 witnesses (scriptures) from 4 of God’s servants: DAVID, ISAIAH, PAUL, and JOHN.

NOTE:  Nowhere in the Word do we have any evidence that one must come to belief in this lifetime, which is another myth of man; contrariwise, we have much evidence in the following verses and many others that some will only come to belief after their physical death.  At this point some might think of the Rich Man and Lazarus parable.  Parables must be discerned spiritually as they are not to be taken literally since they are fictional stories to convey a spiritual message.  Consider this, Rich Man = Jews and Lazarus = Gentiles and the spiritual message is that the Jews will be disciplined for their attitude toward and treatment of the Gentiles.

THE MASTER PLAN OF THE MASTER COULD BE SUMMED UP IN A COMPREHENSIVE SUMMARY OF HIS WORD AS FOLLOWS AS ATTESTED BY MANY WITNESSES.

“ALL IS OUT OF ME AND ALL WILL COME BACK TO ME.” --- GOD

Rom 11:36  For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen. 
1Co 15:28  When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all. 

GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL = 
GOD WILL BE EVERYTHING TO EVERYONE

OUR SPIRIT CAME OUT OF GOD AND WILL RETURN TO GOD

DAVID was inspired to write:

Psalms 22:27-28 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. For the kingdom is the LORD&#039;s: and he is the governor among the nations

ISAIAH was inspired to write:

Isa 45:23  By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: &#039;To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.&#039; 
Isa 45:24  &quot;Only in the LORD, it shall be said of me, are righteousness and strength; to him shall come and be ashamed all who were incensed against him. 

PAUL was inspired to write:

Phi 2:10  so that at the name of Jesus
	every knee will bow
	— in heaven and on earth and under the earth —
Phi 2:11  and every tongue confess
	that Jesus Christ is Lord
	to the glory of God the Father.

Rom 14:11  For it is written, &quot;As I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow to me, and every tongue will give praise to God.&quot;

JOHN was inspired to record:

Rev 5:13  And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, &quot;To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!&quot; 

SINCE AFTER A CERTAIN TIME DEATH WILL CEASE TO BE, LEAVING ONLY LIFE AND HENCE NO MORE SEPARATION BETWEEN GOD AND MAN, ALL OF THESE WITNESSES CAN TESTIFY TO THE SAME THING:

EVERY CREATED BEING WILL PRAISE AND GLORIFY GOD!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reid and Phil,</p>
<p>I put together the following article a while back and the verses that I referenced speak to me of a time when all will know that God is their Father who wants them back in the fold.  Please consider.</p>
<p>ALL CREATED BEINGS WILL PRAISE GOD AT SOME TIME AND THUS COME TO BELIEVE IN HIM</p>
<p>The following are 5 witnesses (scriptures) from 4 of God’s servants: DAVID, ISAIAH, PAUL, and JOHN.</p>
<p>NOTE:  Nowhere in the Word do we have any evidence that one must come to belief in this lifetime, which is another myth of man; contrariwise, we have much evidence in the following verses and many others that some will only come to belief after their physical death.  At this point some might think of the Rich Man and Lazarus parable.  Parables must be discerned spiritually as they are not to be taken literally since they are fictional stories to convey a spiritual message.  Consider this, Rich Man = Jews and Lazarus = Gentiles and the spiritual message is that the Jews will be disciplined for their attitude toward and treatment of the Gentiles.</p>
<p>THE MASTER PLAN OF THE MASTER COULD BE SUMMED UP IN A COMPREHENSIVE SUMMARY OF HIS WORD AS FOLLOWS AS ATTESTED BY MANY WITNESSES.</p>
<p>“ALL IS OUT OF ME AND ALL WILL COME BACK TO ME.” &#8212; GOD</p>
<p>Rom 11:36  For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.<br />
1Co 15:28  When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all. </p>
<p>GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL =<br />
GOD WILL BE EVERYTHING TO EVERYONE</p>
<p>OUR SPIRIT CAME OUT OF GOD AND WILL RETURN TO GOD</p>
<p>DAVID was inspired to write:</p>
<p>Psalms 22:27-28 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. For the kingdom is the LORD&#8217;s: and he is the governor among the nations</p>
<p>ISAIAH was inspired to write:</p>
<p>Isa 45:23  By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: &#8216;To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.&#8217;<br />
Isa 45:24  &#8220;Only in the LORD, it shall be said of me, are righteousness and strength; to him shall come and be ashamed all who were incensed against him. </p>
<p>PAUL was inspired to write:</p>
<p>Phi 2:10  so that at the name of Jesus<br />
	every knee will bow<br />
	— in heaven and on earth and under the earth —<br />
Phi 2:11  and every tongue confess<br />
	that Jesus Christ is Lord<br />
	to the glory of God the Father.</p>
<p>Rom 14:11  For it is written, &#8220;As I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow to me, and every tongue will give praise to God.&#8221;</p>
<p>JOHN was inspired to record:</p>
<p>Rev 5:13  And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, &#8220;To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!&#8221; </p>
<p>SINCE AFTER A CERTAIN TIME DEATH WILL CEASE TO BE, LEAVING ONLY LIFE AND HENCE NO MORE SEPARATION BETWEEN GOD AND MAN, ALL OF THESE WITNESSES CAN TESTIFY TO THE SAME THING:</p>
<p>EVERY CREATED BEING WILL PRAISE AND GLORIFY GOD!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Reid Ferguson</title>
		<link>http://responsivereiding.com/2008/07/10/discussing-the-atonement-a-lot/#comment-2018</link>
		<dc:creator>Reid Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don - first off, thanks for stopping by and commenting. And if I may pick up on Phil&#039;s comment, I am afraid your statement would indicate (at least to Phil and myself) a strain of universalism which the Bible does not at all support. You state: 

&quot;The Word tells that everyone will reconcile themselves to God once they come to a knowledge of the truth, which will be in God’s timing and without one’s physical death presenting an obstacle to God’s ability to reveal to them His truth.&quot;

Would you mind citing someplace in the Word where this is stated? It is your assertion, but I find no Biblical support for it, and in fact find the very opposite. (See: Heb. 9:27; Rev. 14:11; Luke 16:19-31; Matt. 12:32 - etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don &#8211; first off, thanks for stopping by and commenting. And if I may pick up on Phil&#8217;s comment, I am afraid your statement would indicate (at least to Phil and myself) a strain of universalism which the Bible does not at all support. You state: </p>
<p>&#8220;The Word tells that everyone will reconcile themselves to God once they come to a knowledge of the truth, which will be in God’s timing and without one’s physical death presenting an obstacle to God’s ability to reveal to them His truth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Would you mind citing someplace in the Word where this is stated? It is your assertion, but I find no Biblical support for it, and in fact find the very opposite. (See: Heb. 9:27; Rev. 14:11; Luke 16:19-31; Matt. 12:32 &#8211; etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://responsivereiding.com/2008/07/10/discussing-the-atonement-a-lot/#comment-2017</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,if I make speak on Reid&#039;s blog here,it seems you have an inevitability to the atonement,but an unbiblical universalist inevitability. 2Cor5v11,12 sets the tone for the passage you quoted,and,if I understand you right,you must know that scripture doesn&#039;t support a universalist inevitability...Rom 9 sharply disagrees. Please remember that real love(I&#039;m not saying you necessarily don&#039;t have it)must be as set forth in God&#039;s character and the plan of redemption that reveals that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,if I make speak on Reid&#8217;s blog here,it seems you have an inevitability to the atonement,but an unbiblical universalist inevitability. 2Cor5v11,12 sets the tone for the passage you quoted,and,if I understand you right,you must know that scripture doesn&#8217;t support a universalist inevitability&#8230;Rom 9 sharply disagrees. Please remember that real love(I&#8217;m not saying you necessarily don&#8217;t have it)must be as set forth in God&#8217;s character and the plan of redemption that reveals that.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hicks</title>
		<link>http://responsivereiding.com/2008/07/10/discussing-the-atonement-a-lot/#comment-2009</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I will leave the &quot;Theology&quot; to those who want to be seen as &quot;theologians&quot;.  I just want to be a seeker of truth.  It seems to me that Paul makes the message that the world needs to hear very simple &quot;Be conciliated to God&quot;.

2Co 5:14-21  &quot;For the love of Christ controls us, because we are convinced that one has died for all; therefore all have died. And he died for all, that those who live might live no longer for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised. From now on, therefore, we regard no one from a human point of view; even though we once regarded Christ from a human point of view, we regard him thus no longer. Therefore, if any one is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.&quot; 

Key Phrases

Here is my TULIP:

THE ONE: one has died for all

US:  God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself

LIABILITY:  gave us the ministry of reconciliation;

IN CHRIST:  in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them,

PREACH:  entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.  be reconciled to God

THE ONE Jesus Christ has died for all to reconcile US to himself, giving us the LIABILITY to minister the message of reconciliation that IN CHRIST God reconciled the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and tells us to PREACH to the world that God has reconciled Himself to them and they need to reconcile themselves to Him.

The Word tells that everyone will reconcile themselves to God once they come to a knowledge of the truth, which will be in God&#039;s timing and without one&#039;s physical death presenting an obstacle to God&#039;s ability to reveal to them His truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I will leave the &#8220;Theology&#8221; to those who want to be seen as &#8220;theologians&#8221;.  I just want to be a seeker of truth.  It seems to me that Paul makes the message that the world needs to hear very simple &#8220;Be conciliated to God&#8221;.</p>
<p>2Co 5:14-21  &#8220;For the love of Christ controls us, because we are convinced that one has died for all; therefore all have died. And he died for all, that those who live might live no longer for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised. From now on, therefore, we regard no one from a human point of view; even though we once regarded Christ from a human point of view, we regard him thus no longer. Therefore, if any one is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.&#8221; </p>
<p>Key Phrases</p>
<p>Here is my TULIP:</p>
<p>THE ONE: one has died for all</p>
<p>US:  God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself</p>
<p>LIABILITY:  gave us the ministry of reconciliation;</p>
<p>IN CHRIST:  in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them,</p>
<p>PREACH:  entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.  be reconciled to God</p>
<p>THE ONE Jesus Christ has died for all to reconcile US to himself, giving us the LIABILITY to minister the message of reconciliation that IN CHRIST God reconciled the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and tells us to PREACH to the world that God has reconciled Himself to them and they need to reconcile themselves to Him.</p>
<p>The Word tells that everyone will reconcile themselves to God once they come to a knowledge of the truth, which will be in God&#8217;s timing and without one&#8217;s physical death presenting an obstacle to God&#8217;s ability to reveal to them His truth.</p>
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